026: Be Still

Musician Micah Tyler joins The Experiment Podcast this week to rethink rest, talk about the importance of knowing pain and how being still is practicing the presence of God.

This week’s Practice: Be Still

+ 026 be Still - Micah Tyler Transcript

Tim: So everybody welcome to the 10,000 Minute Experiment. This is your host, Tim Timmons, Tom Tommons.

Micah: Woo hoo.

Tim: Timothy Howard Tommons.

Micah: THT.

Chris: THT, baby.

Tim: Emmoe Doniz.

Emmoe: Hi.

Tim: Chris Cleveland.

Chris: Yo.

Tim: Of The Stars Go Dim. Chris and I got to actually play together for the first time.

Chris: For the first time.

Emmoe: Yeah, you guys went on a whole road trip.

Tim: We did two shows.

Chris: Full on, we were there.

Tim: Yeah.

Emmoe: There was a stage. We did it.

Tim: I didn't want to ever use his name, so I just called him, "Hey, The Stars Go Dim. Could we do this?" Everything is that. It's just funny, but you and I, Micah... We've got Micah Tyler [crosstalk 00:00:39].

Micah: Hey everybody.

Chris: Gosh.

Tim: Micah, your wife's about to walk in right there.

Emmoe: Didn't get me this time. Nope.

Tim: Anyhoo. We're awesome because we have our names. We can just use our names. Tim Timmons. Micah Tyler. But you've got to go...

Chris: And I have the perfect stage name.

Tim: Yeah. Chris Cleveland.

Chris: Chris Cleveland.

Tim: Alliteration.

Micah: Sing you a song, sell you a car. You got two options.

Chris: Oh my gah. Yeah.

Tim: What?

Chris: I could probably do both.

Emmoe: Oh right.

Micah: He could sing a song or sell a car. Those are his two options. Chris Cleveland.

Chris: Either way I wearing chain.

Micah: We'll get you in a Volvo today at Chris Cleveland Dodge and Chrysler.

Chris: Emporium.

Micah: Ready to go. That's it.

Chris: Auto Emporium.

Micah: Looks good. I'm happy to be. Long time listener, first time talker.

Tim: Guest.

Micah: I listen to you guys.

Tim: You've said that before.

Emmoe: Oh, thank you.

Micah: I actually text you guys every once in a while and be like, "That was a bad one." Just a couple notes.

Emmoe: Oh, so I've been talking to you. Okay. Cool.

Micah: You guys have a hidden sin or something I don't know about?

Tim: I am so blown away how these things just keep getting better. So guys, this is so funny. I've laughed an awful lot just as I'm editing this thing, but there are some really beautiful moments in here too. I think there's stuff in here that would help us rethink where we spend our energy and what rest looks like, what mercy looks like. Ooh, it's really good. So I'm excited for you to hear this conversation with Micah Tyler. Speaking of Micah Tyler, he is an amazing artist-songwriter-singer. Go see him live. He is so great.

Tim: Also, thanks you guys for jumping in financially. Would you please consider giving to 10,000 Minutes? Just go to 10000minutes.com and in the upright hand corner it says donate. This is completely funded by you, so would you please do that? If this has been helpful for you, and I think it's been so good for so many of you. And I love getting your emails and replies, so keep sending those too. Thanks you guys. And remember like, subscribe, and comment on this. It would be really helpful for us. Okay. And tell your friends about it. Okay. Shut up, Tim. Here we go.

Tim: So I will have already said something special about you.

Micah: Oh, I'm touched by the thought of it.

Tim: Yeah.

Emmoe: The energy has shifted.

Tim: Just that you're special.

Micah: That's what they tell me.

Tim: So you saw Michael Jordan the other day, is that correct?

Micah: No. I saw what we believed to be Michael...

Chris: Michael B. Jordan?

Micah: No, Michael The Jordan.

Chris: Ooh.

Micah: I played the other day with little band, MercyMe.

Tim: Yeah, little outfit.

Chris: Nobody's ever heard of them.

Micah: Just giving them a chance to close for me.

Chris: Yep.

Micah: We played the Charlotte Hornets' arena over in Charlotte. I get off the bus, and it's really funny because-

Chris: Charlotte Bobcats.

Micah: Well, no, they're the Hornets.

Chris: They're the Hornets again?

Micah: Yeah, they went back to the Hornets.

Chris: Oh my gosh. Where have I been?

Micah: About four years. That's all right, though. So, but Michael Jordan is a part owner there. It's just really funny, because I didn't put two and two together that Michael Jordan could be in the building. And then I get off the bus, and all of a sudden everyone on the crew has become a super sleuth. They're like, "Hey, do you see that car over there?" It's black and red, got a Palm beach license plate on it. You know who likes black and red and lives in Palm beach, right? And also is one of the owners of the Charlotte Hornets? Michael Jordan."

Chris: And what was that license plate number?

Micah: I cannot divulge that on this thing, you guys. I'll text you a picture. But all of a sudden people, it's really... Because then everyone just starts Googling things. And then, if anyone has a... "I got to cousin who used to work at a Foot Locker. I'll call him."

Emmoe: Yes. Too real.

Micah: "If he's got a contact. We can get a hold of Mike and have him come out."

Tim: Totally.

Micah: Because everyone's just using as many clues. "Oh my gosh." But right next to it was a Range Rover that actually came from a Michael Jordan dealership. It had the Michael Jordan dealership thing right there.

Chris: He has his own dealership?

Micah: With Chris Cleveland Chrysler.

Chris: Why wouldn't he have that?

Micah: This is too good.

Chris: It makes a lot of sense.

Micah: But we did not get a chance to see him. I had to play a dumb concert and stuff, and so I didn't have a time to just hang out in the parking lot.

Tim: You and Mike.

Micah: You know what? But I was in the same building.

Tim: It's so true.

Micah: I'll catch him next time.

Tim: Sometime.

Micah: Sometime out there.

Tim: One of the other great things about Mr. Micah Tyler. So Micah and I went to-

Micah: We had a little road trip.

Tim: We had a little road trip. We went to the-

Micah: We went on a road trip, though.

Tim: We did go to a road trip.

Micah: We spent a considerable night in a car, and I will safely say, it is the hardest I've laughed in at least the last five years.

Tim: I would completely agree.

Micah: You had to pull over a couple of times, because we were crying. And I couldn't help you. We just could not get our ourselves together.

Tim: So that's that. And another amazing gift that the world needs to hear right now and receive, receive this.

Chris: Okay.

Tim: From Micah Tyler. My boys are really into shoes, really into shoes. They love the shoes. And so Micah and I were on a cruise together. We've spent a lot of interesting time together. It was just us two.

Micah: We're just knocking out different modes of transportation.

Chris: Was it a '92 Break Liner?

Micah: You and me are going to [crosstalk 00:05:35], I think. You and I are going to hop on a box car with a stick with a handkerchief and stuff after this.

Tim: So we were on a cruise that was after the box car, the train, and Micah starts leaning in about this. How he gets his shoes for like seven bucks. It looks like he's got these Yeezies.

Chris: From China?

Micah: Okay, so if you go to wish.com. If Wish is listening right now, I'd love a sponsorship. No, you go to Wish and you type in the shoes that you like, and they give you the-

Chris: Oh, the knockoff brands?

Micah: The knockoff version of it. So here's the thing. I don't buy them because I want people to be impressed with my shoes. I buy them because they're hilarious. Remember Ranger Rick, the little magazine, where one of these pictures has five differences from this picture.

Tim: Yes.

Chris: Oh, yeah.

Micah: So you get the shoes in and then you go, "Okay, let's see."

Tim: Sort of like KB's story.

Micah: Speaking of Michael Jordan, I probably should not run into him, because I bought a pair of $12 Jordans.

Emmoe: No.

Micah: But they came in and so I'm looking-

Chris: Michael Cordans. [crosstalk 00:06:31].

Micah: Way better. So I get there and I'm going, "All right. Let me see if I can spot the differences." So I noticed there's an extra piece of fabric on the Nike check. That's number one. There's an extra triangle on there.

Emmoe: Oh my God.

Micah: There's a bar, but coming off of the Nike check.

Tim: You said it looks like a hook.

Micah: It looked like a hook. Yeah, like a fishing hook. And then I look at the tongue, and instead of saying Nike, it just says, Nikki. The I is gone. It just says Nke on there. And then it just says International. And then my favorite is on the side of every Jordan, there's a little banner over a basketball that says Air Jordan, and my just says Basketball.

Emmoe: Oh, let's go. You got the prototype.

Micah: But you put them next to a pair of Jordans, you have no idea. I was on a tour. I did a weekend tour with KB.

Chris: If you're on a brisk walk, nobody can tell the difference.

Micah: No. You're running right by. That's right. Unless they just come unraveled. I don't even know if they don't. I don't know if they're good for actual modes of exercise. But I was on a tour of KB, and he's a big shoe... He's sneakerhead. And so we're talking on the bus, and he's about to get off and stuff. And I was like, "All right, man, I'll see you later." And I said, "Oh, I forgot." I said, "Did you like my Jordan's?" He goes, "Don't think I didn't notice." He said, "How'd you get that color?" I said, "Oh, that's because these are Basketball." So I showed him, so he threw it on his Instagram. It was just really funny.

Emmoe: Oh, it's too good.

Micah: I only get them, because I just love being able to tell people that these are not the real thing. I just get to wear these jank shoes around.

Chris: I like it. Well, are they comfy at least?

Micah: No.

Emmoe: I was going to say.

Tim: They absorb water, is that what you said?

Micah: Yeah. They feel like I'm wearing a couple of ShamWows around. They just soak a bottle of water in my feet. Get to be 10 pounds apiece. You reap what you sow. And I sowed seven dollars into a pair of Basketballs.

Tim: Basketballs. Is there tax on top of that or shipping?

Micah: There's shipping. Yeah. You've got to watch out, because sometimes they'll be $12 for these shoes, and the shipping's 80.

Tim: Right.

Chris: It's going to take a while to get here too.

Micah: That's true.

Tim: That's what you said. You said it takes a long time, but it comes like a Christmas gift because it comes six months later.

Chris: You forgot that you bought it.

Emmoe: Surprise.

Micah: I'll buy them and all of a sudden, "Oh my gosh. My Jordans are in."

Tim: My Basketballs.

Chris: Hordans.

Micah: That's it.

Emmoe: Crazy.

Micah: Okay.

Chris: That's it.

Tim: Well, I think we're done.

Chris: Oh my God.

Micah: Wish.com. That's it.

Tim: Micah.

Micah: Hey.

Tim: One more story. We were skydiving, and I remember you jumping first.

Micah: Right.

Tim: And I had to save your life.

Micah: That's true. That is actually true.

Tim: Okay. Speaking of-

Micah: And I had a parachute and everything. I was just lazy. I was just, "You know what? I'm not trying to pull this thing. Tim's got me."

Tim: Yeah. In my mind right there, I was trying to think of a parachute brand [inaudible 00:09:01] knock off, but I couldn't think of a parachute brand. RAI would be RTI.

Micah: IER

Tim: Well...

Micah: Great.

Tim: This has been smooth. Smooth sailing, everybody. Micah, you have a new record out.

Micah: Anything you release from the pandemic is eternally new.

Tim: Yeah.

Emmoe: Right.

Micah: I released a record called New Today April of 2020.

Chris: Yeah, right.

Micah: Right into the pandemic, which I describe as throwing confetti in the dark, because I was celebrating. I was like, "Why can't anyone see this?"

Chris: That's right, and it feels like such a long time ago.

Micah: It feels like a long time ago, but it's really cool because now we're getting to tour the record.

Chris: Actually play the songs.

Micah: A year and a half later.

Chris: Oh my God.

Micah: There's a lot of songs that we wrote with dreams of the way that they would minister to people and that kind of thing. And I didn't get to see a lot of that, because we were just at the house waiting around and stuff like that. But then, now that we're getting to go and travel, we're going, "Oh my gosh, the things that we had dreams for these songs actually have... They've come to life." When we were in the room going, "I think this is special. I think this would speak to someone's this." Or it would be able to meet someone in this place. And we're hearing those stories now at the merch table. Oh, praise God. These are still usable, workable things. We just had to wait a little while to let them marinate a little longer, I guess.

Tim: I just think it's appropriate that it's called New Today.

Micah: And it is old from a year and a half ago.

Tim: It just seems like that was wise. There was some foresight.

Micah: I think it will always be New Today.

Tim: New today.

Micah: Golly.

Tim: Your single right now is Walking Free, and I was just thinking, do you do some walking in your Basketballs?

Chris: Yeah. What shoes did you wear in that video?

Micah: Those were actually some Adidases that I got off of Amazon, a legitimate-

Tim: Called Shadidas?

Micah: They're called Shadidas.

Tim: Speaking in tongues. Gosh, I got [inaudible 00:10:56] thoughts.

Chris: I just want to go deeper on almost everything, but this doesn't need a bit. You know what I mean?

Tim: Yeah. What I'm seeing right now is there's a bug on top of that box on top of that speaker. It's one of those Satan bugs.

Micah: That bug was actually on that sound panel the whole thing we were riding.

Tim: Oh.

Micah: And I was just, I was watching. I kept an eye on it, so it's still. At least you can see it.

Tim: We are continuing our series on practicing the presence of God. It's been fascinating to hear all the different ways that people have experienced that when it's difficult, when they've successfully been able to walk in this awareness of the presence of God. How has that been for you in these past few years? What have you noticed, even being off the road, is there something you've noticed about practicing the presence of God? That it's been harder? That it's been easier?

Micah: Yeah. The pandemic surprised us the same way it surprised everybody else. We were working hard, and God was blessing, and we had a lot of... Very busy going and doing things. And then we actually just got through building a house. And we went through probably the craziest season, because I did 60 shows with MercyMe and Crowder back in 2019. On top of making the record. On top of building a house. On top of selling our old house. All these things mounted up on each other. So we went from this whole big, giant, crazy, just wild year, and someone had told me a couple years before... I kept getting these Twitter messages. A big thing was, "What is your word for the year?"

Micah: And I got a song called Different, named Different, and I had people reaching out to me.

Tim: You had a song?

Micah: Same song.

Tim: It sounded like you have a son named Different.

Micah: I do have a... We've changed it.

Tim: Isn't that sweet?

Micah: Little Different, just going off to school.

Tim: Noah, your name...

Micah: You're Different now. What was funny was that KING & COUNTRY used to do this thing where they had these necklaces made, and they said Priceless on there. And they'd walk out in the aisle, and they would look at a little girl and they'd say, "Come here. I just want you to know you are priceless," and hand the necklace.

Chris: And then sell 10,000 necklaces.

Micah: But what was funny was that someone told me, they said, "Have you ever thought about doing something like that?" I said-

Tim: Different.

Micah: It's not going to come across the same way. If I walk up like, "Hey, little girl? You're different."

Emmoe: Oh my God. That's so good. I'd be like, "Dang it, I knew it." I knew it, man.

Micah: I wouldn't know what to do with that. If I just called someone, "You're different." So anyway.

Tim: Oh my gosh, that's such a good bit. You're going out in the audience. You're looking at a kid. "You're different."

Chris: No, not me.

Micah: I don't want to be different. So, people kept messaging me on Twitter and saying stuff like, "Hey, my word for this year is different." And so I was like, "Oh, that's kind of..." But I didn't do that. It wasn't anything that I thought was... That's cool for them to do. I just don't really have any kind of leaning on it.

Tim: Basketballs.

Emmoe: That's the word.

Micah: So 2020 comes around, it is the weirdest thing, I had this... For all of December, I got to be home for a little while. We're about to get back on the road and run. I was about to be releasing the record and getting into the house and all the things are happening. And all of a sudden the word rest just was so present on my heart. I couldn't get it out of my mind, and I felt like the Lord wanted to teach me how to rest.

Micah: And I remember driving in my car, on my to get on an airplane, on my way to get to a tour bus, on my way to run around and do all the things that I'm going to do. And I just told the Lord, "I guess you're going to have to teach me how to take a nap." I don't have time to rest. Maybe I'll just get really rich sleep at night or whatever. And I remember doing radio interviews in January and then being like, "Hey, we're doing a thing this year. We're picking a word. You ever thought about picking a word before?" And in these interviews, I keep going, "Rest is what I'm supposed to be doing right now."

Micah: So when the whole world shut down, I realized how bad I am at that. It's not about getting a good night's sleep on a good mattress or be it whatever. I have a really hard time. I'm Enneagram 2, and so I'm constantly wanting to do something for someone. I find my worth in what I'm able to go and do, so just being is a really hard thing for me. So one thing that I've learned with the presence of God is that it is not about what I'm able to do in his presence, it's what I'm able to accept that he is making me into, or that he's made me into already, or the things that I've done or that I will do. This present breath that I have right here, I can practice the presence of knowing that God is with me, and that he's not disappointed if I'm not.

Micah: I'm not going to be able to earn something more from him. Just literally being still and knowing that he's God is what I'm called to do. And I'm really good at knowing that he's God, but I'm really bad at being still. So it's something I'm trying to be better at now. And I had the entire pandemic to learn how to do that. And so even right now on the road, I'm trying to carve out moments to be able to be still.

Micah: That's why just finding myself in a hotel room at night, and just being able to just take the breath and not have to get stressed out about the next day, or not have to worry about what happened yesterday, or think about what's coming up in the next couple weeks or months, but just be present in that moment. And so that's been something that God's been... I think it took a pandemic for me to be able to learn how to practice that, but now I'm trying to take it into another busy season. And asking for God to help me to find the importance of just knowing that being still and knowing that he is God is literally, scripturally what we're called to be. Just as much as going out and making disciples.

Emmoe: Hmm.

Tim: So rest, if we were rethinking rest, let's just say. You've got actual rest, where it's taking a break, the stuff that you're talking about right now.

Micah: Right.

Tim: But you were just talking about the idea of, you can even find rest in not earning and in knowing the reality of who you are, no matter what. That kind of stuff.

Micah: Yeah. I'm not having to pedal my good traits to be able to earn the affection of God. It's not like I'm having to be, "Okay, you gave me a gift to sing, so I'm going to sing 300 shows this year. You gave me the gift of communicating with people, so I'm just going to go out and speak all the time." It's not that. What I learned was that, man, if I needed a stage to find worth, I didn't have the opportunity for over a year. But what I had was, is I had a family. I had a wife and three kids that I was able to be faithful to. Because somebody told me a long time ago that we will never stand before the Lord and him say, "Well done. The good and successful servant is faithful." We can only be faithful to what's in front of us, right here.

Micah: I am faithful. I have the opportunity right now to be faithful to this. I cannot be faithful to the tour show that's tomorrow night. I cannot be faithful to... My marriage, I was telling you this earlier, I've been married for over 17 years now. Because I made a faithful commitment 17 and a half years ago does not make me faithful today. I have to choose to be faithful today. So for us, whenever God calls us to step out into unsure waters, when God tells us to be still and know, when God calls us to go out and make disciples, our job is not to try to achieve some sort of success in these places. But it is literally just to be faithful. Love those people, practice the fruit of the spirit, be able to walk and trust that God is there with you, and not have to try to work something up or earn something up or juggle enough things to make it feel like you've got everything figured out. Just trusting him enough to be faithful is what our calling is as servants of Jesus.

Tim: Okay. So that is you and your sobriety, right? When you're sober, when you're aware of the truth, let's say, of who you are, your identity. Okay. It's not in my show. It's not in this stuff. When we're able to be in that place, that's beautiful. So where do you go when you are drunk, if you will, on what? What do you get drunk on that pulls you away from that reality of rest? What pulls you out of rest?

Micah: It is me trying to prove that I am worthy of affection. It's not trusting that it has already been that Jesus has offered his affection to me freely. Not because of what I've done, not because of what I will do, but because of who he is and his goodness and kindness. When I stop trusting the goodness and kindness of God, I try to earn the favor and the affection and the love. The way that I would as someone at a show. I'm trying to form well enough that they will love the things that I'm doing. I can turn that into trying to go out there and live show it up. "Oh, I'll go out and sign before it starts. I'll go out in the parking lot and shake hands with people. And then I'll go up there into the merch table at intermission, after it's over with. They'll love me if I can do all these things."

Micah: And Chris and I, we went on tour five years ago.

Chris: Yeah.

Micah: Chris can tell. I was out there in the lobby every time they would let me.

Chris: Yup.

Micah: To be able to go and sign a CD. I was running my own merch table. I was pulling all the things. I would get up, I'd be the first one up in the morning and the last one to bed at night, because I'm hustling to make ends meet. To be able to try to actually put together, not only a living for my family, but trying to build a career and those things. And in the most toxic of places for me, it is about how much hustle I can muster to be able to gain the affections and the attentions of the people around me, as opposed to being still and knowing that God is kind enough to open a door that I'm supposed to run to.

Micah: I can be patient and wait on the Lord, as opposed to trying to get ahead of him and make it work so that he can push his plan along a little faster. So that's, I would say, in the unhealthiest moments for me is when I'm just trying to earn God's attention, affection, love, and then the same thing with the people around me. Just trying to try to earn that thing by serving or trying to help or trying to... Whatever that is.

Tim: Yeah. I was just thinking of the idea that we could go to what we practice, and for you to practice rest is practicing sobriety, really.

Micah: Yeah.

Tim: What are the other things that you practice? You just mentioned earning. Where are those moments? You're practicing earning love. You're practicing.

Micah: Well, I think that the healthy spot is for me to practice...

Tim: Yeah. I'm talking unhealthy.

Micah: Unhealthy?

Tim: Yeah.

Micah: Oh. Even with my wife, it's like, "I'll take the kids at school. Well then I'll clean the house. No, don't get up. I'll do that. Let me take care of that." And then she finally has to tell me, "You do realize you leave for four days at a time, and I don't just lay here? I'm actually doing these things." So it makes her feel that I almost don't trust her to be able to take care of herself.

Chris: Oh gosh.

Emmoe: Right.

Micah: I push all those things. And with my kids, it's the same thing of being being a dad to a toddler and never letting them walk, because you're so worried about them hurting themselves. They're never going to learn how to walk, or they're never going to learn how to get up when they fall and hurt themselves.

Micah: It's like trying to defend your kids. I was telling you about the story earlier that impacted me 15 years ago. It was a story about these parents who had a little girl, and she was unable to feel pain. She had no pain sensors in her body. And this dad was like, You would think that it's every parent's dream to hide their kids from any kind of hurt," he said. "But it's going to kill my daughter, because she doesn't know pain." So one day the mom is cooking dinner, and she smells something burning. She's looking over pots and pain. She don't know what it is. She looks over, and the little girls has her hand resting on the burner up there. Her hand's on fire. And she's going, "Oh my gosh." So she grabs her, and they have to take her to the hospital.

Micah: And the little girl's just sitting there. They don't have to put her asleep for surgeries. It's the same thing. And he says, "She has no idea when something's hurting her, so she doesn't know how to get help." So for me, I can completely try to cover my children and cover my wife and help them so much, because I don't want them to have to experience any inconvenience. I want them to just feel love for me, and I want them to give love back to me. But if I'm being honest, if I'm really trying to really do what's best for everyone, we all have to learn how to take care of ourselves. If I shelter my kids so much that one day they're grownups and they have no idea how to handle the world, it's going and to eat them alive.

Micah: So we're trying to figure out, as parents, how to do that. How as a husband and wife, we're supposed to do that thing. And then just with people around, I don't want to overextend myself to where... Because if I overextend myself so much too, I'm going to let somebody down at some point, and I don't want to have them trusting me so much that when I let them down, it really hurts a lot more. Because it feels like, "Oh, I thought you were going to be there for all the things." So I try to be careful of the things I commit myself to, because I want to be able to be of integrity and do the things I tell them I'm going to do, but also know my limitations and be able to pull back in those places too.

Tim: But that also has a double edged sword for you, because you also, like we were just talking about Micah, I'm always offering you, "Man, just come stay at my house." But you're also like...

Micah: Yeah. No, I don't want to inconvenience anyone.

Tim: Right.

Emmoe: Yeah.

Tim: Right.

Micah: You've offered me to stay over here. And when you said it a minute ago, I didn't even want to tell you, "No I'm at a hotel literally four minutes from here." Because there's this shame, because I don't want you to feel like that. I don't want you to feel like I don't appreciate you offering me to come stay. But also you have no idea how relieved I was when you said, "Yeah, you come stay here anytime. We had some people that were staying here the last couple of days." I was going, "Oh, praise God that I didn't ask." Because then you would have to tell me that I couldn't. It would make you feel bad.

Tim: That's a lot of energy.

Micah: I was so grateful. The best way that I can describe being an Enneagram 2, I am rooting for a waiter at a restaurant. Okay? Because I want them to do well.

Emmoe: Right.

Micah: I don't want anyone at the table to be disappointed in them. I want us to be able to tip them and feel good about it. I am cheering that person doesn't put me in a situation where I have to be inconvenienced, because it's going to inconvenience them for me to be upset.

Tim: Wow.

Emmoe: Right.

Chris: They're not writing down the order, but you're taking notes on your phone. "Hey bud, I noticed that you didn't write this down. I just want to make sure you got it right."

Micah: I don't know if you heard all the appeteasers we were mentioning, but just take this one. Just slide it across. Yeah.

Emmoe: That's too good.

Micah: That's how I am. I'm trying to guard someone from having to... Okay. Full transparency.

Tim: Come on.

Micah: I didn't go to the Dove Awards last night. This is dumb. I would have enjoyed going. It'd been fine to go. It's not like it's my favorite thing I look forward to in the whole wide world, but I like seeing people and hanging out and stuff. But I wasn't nominated for anything. Now, the reason I didn't go is not because I'm not nominated. It's because if I go, someone's going to say, "Hey, what are you nominated for?" And I'm going to say, "Nothing." And then they're going to go, "Oh, I'm so sorry." And I'm going to be like, "No, it's totally fine." That's my full-on health on display. That's me being so scared to inconvenience someone, to put them in a situation where they could feel like they're hurting my feelings, even though I'll be fine, because I'm going to get over it fast.

Chris: Well, I didn't go because I wasn't nominated.

Micah: I should have called you.

Tim: Totally. We would have had our own Dove party.

Micah: Yeah. That's right.

Emmoe: Too good.

Tim: Thank you.

Micah: Yeah.

Tim: What I'm seeing in that is it's a lot of work. Each of us have our things.

Emmoe: Right.

Tim: That we do just like what you just shared. A.ll the energy that you put into, even just that. Just all the energy that just went into-

Chris: That's six levels deep. You know what I mean?

Tim: Right.

Chris: Yeah.

Tim: Even just not staying here in some way, or whatever it might be.

Micah: But do you know how prideful that is? That's the arrogant part of me. I'm so prideful that I'm worried that I'm going to make someone feel disappointed. Even though you may have been like, "Oh no, we have people coming staying here already." And I would've been like, "Oh, I'm so sorry for even asking. No it's okay." And then it's over. I don't want to put myself in a situation to feel bad, so I just don't put myself in the situation. It's pride. It's me going, "I don't want to be hurt, or I don't want to have the opportunity to be hurt, or I don't want to make you feel anything." It's me putting myself of some level of importance that could have just been as easy as, "Oh, you can't do this weekend, because we got people staying." It would have been okay, and then it's over.

Micah: But I think pride is a big part for me that I have to... I don't want to disappoint somebody. I don't want to upset someone. I just want to help them. I want to be The Man. I want to, if you need something, you can call. Good Old Micah will show up and help you move that couch. I will be there to pray for you. If you need an encouraging word, I'm ready to give it. I don't have bad days. I'm good days all the time, and I'm ready to spread some sunshine your way. But that's where pride goes. I can't uphold that. That's not real life.

Chris: Classic Timmons question: Who are you in that moment if you let somebody down?

Micah: Crushed. I'll think about it. There's things that I said in seventh grade.

Emmoe: Oh, totally.

Chris: Yes.

Micah: I'll wake up in the middle of the night and go, "Oh my gosh. I should not have told that girl I couldn't dance with her."

Emmoe: Oh, too good.

Micah: And again, it's just pride, because there's no way people are still thinking about certain things that I have just... I will beat myself up about the way that I ordered a hamburger. I was 20 years old. It's just so dumb. At my worst, in that moment, it is this weird thing of, I both want the universe to be the most important thing, but also somehow I make myself the main character.

Chris: Yeah.

Micah: You know?

Emmoe: Yeah.

Micah: I'm going to affect so many things around me, but also it's with this heart of going, "No, but I want everyone else to have..." It's just this really weird... It's just exhausting.

Chris: Let me win the lottery, because I would give all the money to all the right places.

Micah: Sure. Exactly. But at the same time, that's where rest has been a big thing for me, because I can just rest in the fact that I can't please everybody. I can't be everybody's Superman. I can't even do that for my own family. I'm going to forget the garbage at some point. I'm going to let my wife down. And I've got to learn how to communicate well with her that I'm sorry, and work hard on trying to remember commitments that I've made. But also if I make too many commitments, I can't keep them all. So how do I balance those things out and rest on the things that I can control, rest in the things I can't control, and then just try to be who God's called me to be? And that's faithful to what he's put in front of me.

Tim: Today.

Micah: Today.

Emmoe: I think also sometimes because it's... You've mentioned pride, and I bet that is a piece of it. But sometimes it can be dangerous where we come to a place where we're almost shaming ourselves. That there's no rest in, "I'm trying to rest for others, so I'm functional."

Micah: Right.

Emmoe: If we want to rethink rest, it's really freedom. It's not a habit of pausing. It's an acknowledging that nothing needs to be done or completed. And so it's not that they will benefit, it's that you will benefit and your spirit will benefit. So I'm just interested to almost know a little deeper of what freedom do you find when you're resting in the presence of God, that has nothing to do with anybody around you, but with just you alone? And do you feel comfortable only thinking about yourself and God when you're resting?

Micah: Very uncomfortable to think about. Even thinking of how it's important for me to rest, that's a hard one. Prioritizing myself is very hard for me. I'm a guy who will just get to the point where I just can't go anymore. I'm just burnt out. I just can't can't keep going. It's those moments where if I get a text, okay. Words of affirmation is also love language for me. You are a 2 who needs people to tell you that you did a good job. You'll do whatever it takes to get somebody to tell you it's a good job. So whenever you don't do something and someone shows affection towards you, it's like, "Oh my gosh. I didn't have to earn that." So when I have this presence of the Lord that just gives me this love and peace and joy, and when the fruit of the spirit is just alive in my life, and it's not because there's a song on the radio, or it's not because I helped take somebody's trash out. Whatever that is.

Micah: The Lord is just like, "Because I loved you, you are loved." That is one of the most... It is just humbling. And it is the most secure. It is the kindness. It is the kindest thing God can do is literally just love us because he is so loving. For God so loved the world, not because we did good enough things to deserve it. It's just that he just loved the world, so he gave his son, that we could be forgiven and we could know who he is. When I rest in that, oh my gosh. But then it makes me have this passion to be able to go and do the right things.

Micah: I can go out and love people well, with the right heart, because God's giving me the heart to go out and do it with. It's this balancing thing, but when it's all clicking in the right way and I'm able to prioritize the Lord first and to know that my rest is important, my affection towards my family is important. But at the end of the day, I can just rest in the fact that they love me. The Lord loves me. People around me love me that need to love me, and that I am a loved person. That is such a security for me.

Tim: Gosh, even in that moment, while we were doing this podcast, I remember thinking to myself, "How much energy do we spend worrying about other things, other people, what other people think?" When all along what the truth is, is that we are loved, accepted, forgiven, empowered, known, pursued, cared for, made strong in our weakness, built for vulnerability in doing life with other people in the name and the power and with the authority of Jesus. What would it look like for you, just today, if you could actually live as though these things were true about you? What would rest look like today?

Micah: In 2017, Hurricane Harvey hit our little house that we had, and we damaged four of the rooms in the home. And then a few weeks later, my brother was diagnosed with stage four colon cancer. And I remember pleading with God. "If you'll tell me what to do, I just need mercy." I was begging. "Can you just show mercy? I'll do whatever it takes." And it wasn't until someone pointed me back to Lamentations 3:22 and 23, that his mercies are made new every morning because he's faithful. I didn't rise the sun. I didn't push it up there. I didn't earn new mercy. It just came. It's just here. It's about me realizing it's here, and it's given to me and me accepting it.

Chris: Yeah.

Micah: That's it. It's literally not me trying to say, "Okay, God, you got this mercy right there, and if I can just win the race, then I'll be able to... I I can make my way to the podium to grab the mercy." If I'm laying flat on my face, mercy still showed up that morning. If I am as healthy as I can possibly be, mercy showed up that morning. If I am running in the complete opposite direction, mercy is still showing up in the morning, and it's new. It's not the same mercy for me yesterday that I couldn't use. It's the new mercy for me. That's where we find rest. I don't have to wake up and find it. Joy comes in the morning. There's so many scriptures that go along with, we could have the righteousness of God. It's not my righteousness, and it's not my joy. I don't have any. I have got nothing to offer. But I desperately need and it's freely given to me, the mercy and joy and grace and love and forgiveness and hope and faithfulness of God. And I just have to just rest and be.

Tim: So how do you practice that? How do you? What you just said, that whole thing? Because that's great theology. We could all go, "Yep. I believe it to my core," Which is actually not true. Because we don't. That's why we need...

Chris: That's why we keep doing it.

Tim: If belief is being found living as though something is true, part of it is, what do we actually believe to be true?

Micah: Sabbath is a big deal, and we try to practice that. Right now our Sabbath was Sunday. During the pandemic, that was the day we go to church, we spend time with our small group. But, "Hey, all your homework's done before this day." It's not a super rigid thing, but no. We're going to really take time to be a family, sit at the table, hang out together, just be still. Now our Sabbath is Wednesday, because of touring. I fly in on Monday, and I leave a lot of times on Wednesday nights or Thursday morning. But Wednesday we're not doing anything. We'll go drop the kids off at school.

Micah: Tuesday nights is our time as a family. We'll play a game and we'll sit together. I've become the TikTok hunter-gatherer for our family.

Tim: I don't know what that means.

Micah: We don't trust our kids to have TikTok. It's something we don't want them to get into and everything. So my job is to go and find funny videos or whatever videos for our family. I hunter and gather. It's my job as the man of the house to go out and find these and like them all. And then we sit together as a family and 10 minutes before bed, we just plow through a bunch of TikToks and just laugh together. It's our fun little ritual. And so we'll play a game. We'll watch TikToks. We'll brush teeth. We'll pray together. And then they'll go to bed.

Micah: And the next morning we'll get up, take them to school, and then me and my wife just watch a Netflix show and just be. Because it's not like I have to, "Let me paint something for you. Let me do whatever." We're trying to practice that, because the last thing I want to do is get burnt out. And still, because the thing is, what happens if I don't get through painting? Then I just leave her stuff that she's got to finish up. That's not helpful. If I could just be loving towards her and know that I'm loved in that day, just with her, then that is worth it. And I'm trying to practice the same thing with God. I'm trying to spend a little extra time in my bunk when I'm on a bus, just laying there and asking God to just bless the day, and let me be aware of his presence, and let me not be afraid to just be still and know that he's God.

Micah: It's like asking him. I wrote a song. Seven years ago, I was walking into a writer's conference for the first time, and I was so nervous because everybody there was professional and I'm just this amateur, whatever. They're going to figure me out. I'm not supposed to be here. I got thrown at the last minute by buddy. It's the first time I ever went to Nashville.

Tim: Yeah. Chris and I were there I think. I remember we were looking at you going, "That guy [crosstalk 00:37:12]."

Chris: Do you see his shoes?

Tim: Yeah.

Chris: Michael Shmordans.

Tim: Football.

Micah: Those are.

Emmoe: Oh my gosh. Please. That never was trending.

Micah: But I remember, guys, I tried my hardest to force the Lord to bless my rest. I asked. I was like, "I'm going to go get a cabin." I got a friend who offered me a cabin one time, so I was like, "I'm going to go stay in this cabin, and I'm going to write the best songs, because I'm going to give the Lord my time. I'm going to say goodbye to my family. There's no cell service. I'm just going to be locked up in this cabin. I'm just going to just be walking around with a bunch of doves on my shoulder the whole time, because the glory of the Lord will shine upon me."

Micah: So I go in there, and I remember sitting that first night. Nothing. I'll read scripture. And I'm reading it angstily. Okay, I can turn this. Grace rhymes with face. I could do that.

Emmoe: Let's go.

Micah: Love and above. And I'm just for God's love.

Chris: Our Father.

Micah: I'm just trying everything. I'm just singing scripture. I was in Leviticus. I was doing whatever I could. It's desperate.

Emmoe: I love Leviticus, actually.

Micah: Stayed up until four in the morning, just with a guitar on my lap, laptop in front of me, bible open. So mad. And I remember just feeling. But then it was almost like I was scared to tell God how mad I was, even though it's the Lord knows your heart. Whatever. So six o'clock and I was like, "I'll wake up, and I'll see a sunrise, and I'll be inspired." I'm trying to cultivate this moment.

Chris: I will see this.

Micah: My alarm went off at six. Woke up, got dressed, went and sat on the porch, looked out. And I saw that stupid sunrise, and I was like, "This is ridiculous." And I looked around. I saw a lake. And I felt this feeling I should go sit by the lake, and I remember that's when I sat out loud, "Hey, pal, I'll go sit by your stupid lake."

Micah: I got up. Nope. I didn't have anything with me. Didn't have a guitar, no Bible, whatever. And I sat by the lake, and I just sat there, and I said, "You're going to embarrass me. You open up every opportunity for me to go and sit in this writer's thing, and they're going to ask me to sing something that I wrote, and I'm going to look stupid. And it's your fault." And I was just very honest with the Lord. I said, "Here's the deal. I know what scripture says, and I know that you told me to be still and know that you're God. I know that you're God. You're going to have to teach me how to be still." And right then I remember pulling out my phone and I just sang this, word for word.

Micah: I said, "Teach me to be still. Teach me to lay down. I give up all my strength, and lay my armor on the ground. Show me how to rest on the altar of your will. I know that you are God, but teach me to still. Teach me to be still."

Micah: You hear the lake in the background. That's the only song I had the whole time, and I have sung that song for eight years now. I never wrote anything else to it. It's just this sacred little prayer. And I have sung that at church, and I've had pastors who have grabbed me in the lobby and going, "I have to have that song." So I had to go record a version of it, so I could send it. I have pastors to this day, five years later, who message me and just go, This is the morning prayer for me." I'm about to go be busy, but I need to be still while I'm busy. And I was like, "Oh, okay. Someone else understands how I feel about these things." It is practicing this. You can be still while you're doing things, is what I'm learning how to do too.

Micah: Because I don't have the luxury of... I don't want to say the luxury of another pandemic. I don't want to make it sound like that. But I don't have the luxury to take off.

Chris: You've got to go back to work.

Micah: I've got to go back to work. I got to hop on a tour bus. I got to be gone five days a week. I'll be gone 13 days from my family for this whole run that I'm on right now. That doesn't mean that just because I've got a job to go do, the Lord's like, "Ah, well, you don't have to be still."

Tim: Right.

Micah: No. I have to learn how to be still while I'm moving.

Emmoe: Yeah.

Tim: Find rest in the midst of...

Emmoe: Because it's true.

Micah: I have to learn that.

Emmoe: Yeah. It's truly your identity that's seeking rest.

Micah: Right.

Emmoe: Right? We had Curtis Zachary, CZ, come through and talk about soul rest. It starts off like any self care. You start off with a face mask or a nap, and you're slowly doing the physical, and it gets to the emotional and the spiritual rest. And that's when you realize, "Oh, it's my identity that's constantly trying to rebuild who I am every day, so it doesn't fall apart." Or whatever it is. And so there's a beauty in getting to the core of rest for you, almost on the other side of be still and know God, but be still and know who you are with God.

Micah: Right.

Emmoe: That's really the rest I think your soul is seeking.

Tim: Totally.

Emmoe: Just who am I now without the product of my time here with you?

Micah: And at the end of the day, we're just children of God. Some of us just have different... There's different skill sets that I have. But the Lord doesn't love me any different because my skill sets are different than someone else's. We are just loved because we're his. And if I can sit and be and know that. But literally, you guys are asking me questions, and I am telling myself, "Oh, you got to be a good guest here. You got to answer well."

Emmoe: I get that.

Micah: Before I started, when you set the microphones in front, it's like, "Okay, Lord, help me be funny. If I could say something interesting, if something profound comes to me, I would love to say that thing." But just sitting here talking even, I'm having to tell myself, "No, it's not. Just be present. Just be here and rest in that, and they'll edit out all the stupid things."

Chris: Eh, probably not.

Tim: No, we won't.

Chris: We'll probably, actually, Tim does really good impressions, so he's going to say-

Emmoe: We'll just do 20 minutes of that.

Chris: ... a few more real dumb [crosstalk 00:42:52].

Micah: That's good. Perfect. Love it.

Tim: So this one time... [crosstalk 00:42:58].

Chris: My favorite Micah Tyler joke-

Emmoe: Oh gosh.

Chris: He would get up on stage and talk about his hometown.

Tim: Buna?

Chris: Buna, Texas. Where he can shop in one of two of their dollar stores.

Micah: That's right.

Chris: And, oh my God.

Micah: I've added to that joke. I said, "You put together, it's one seventeenth of a Walmart. Two dollar stores. We're still not a city. It's an unincorp... No, my favorite joke from the Phil Wickham tour that we did... I had two. One was at the very beginning. I got up there and I said, "Hey everybody, I'm so glad you guys are here." Because we did a little thing together, the three of us got there and sang. They left and I was like, "Yeah, we're just so excited that you're here. We really hope that you feel Wickham. Welcome."

Emmoe: Yes. Too good.

Micah: "I'm glad you're here." That was one. And the other one was one, I wrote a joke for Phil. Do you remember this? It was called the Children of God tour. And I said, "Phil, you realize that if you get there and tell jokes, you've completed the whole game. That's all that's left."

Micah: "You're handsome. You're a great singer, incredible songwriter, amazing worship leader." And he's funny too? So I was like, "I'm going to write you a couple jokes." He goes, "Eh." So I wrote this joke that I thought was really funny. And the joke was, I said, "You just get there." He was like, "Y'all, this was so much fun. I loved it so much. Man, we should come back and do this in 20 years. We can call it the Grandchildren of God tour." Just a simple joke, but when Phil Wickham does that joke, everyone's going to lose their mind.

Tim: Of course.

Micah: If I do the joke, whatever, but like Phil does it. Whatever. So me and Chris join him at the end of the show, and I tell you, he goes, "Okay, I'll do it tonight." Great. So we get up there and he didn't do it. I was like, "Oh my gosh." And then the next night I said, "Are you going to do the joke?" He goes, "Yeah, I'm going to do it." He didn't do it. And then the third night we get up there, he just goes. "We're so glad that you guys came. Let's close out." And I was like, "Hey, you know, Chris?"

Tim: Oh my gosh.

Micah: This was so much fun. We should do this in the next 20 years. He's like, "Yeah, I think so too." We're like, "Phil, what do you think?" He goes, "Yeah, we can call it the Grandchildren of God tour." They all laughed and I just said, "See, I told you."

Chris: Yeah, man.

Emmoe: My goodness.

Micah: Never got used again. We prompted him three more times. He never would do it.

Tim: Right. That was the last show.

Micah: That was the last live show we did.

Tim: Micah Tyler. We've got 10,000 thoughts here.

Micah: Oh, I can't wait.

Tim: These are rapid fire, so you just answer as fast as you possibly can.

Micah: Hit me with them.

Tim: Biggest fear.

Micah: Oh, not being loved.

Tim: Womp womp.

Micah: And snakes.

Emmoe: Not being loved by snakes.

Micah: Also, fun fact about me, a dirty napkin is the grossest thing in the world to me.

Chris: Ooh.

Emmoe: Oh, yes.

Micah: If you watch, when I wipe my mouth with a napkin one time, I put it down. I can't touch it again.

Tim: Really?

Micah: It's a little OCD about it, but yeah. If it was on the table and you're talking to me, my eye's going to be on that napkin. I may have to slide something out of the way. Some people just do this, and it's fine if they do, but if they just, they hold a napkin in their hand the whole time. They're just talking. They're eating the whole time. And by the end of it, they've just got this complete, malleable... They've almost turned it back into wood.

Chris: Unlike the last [crosstalk 00:45:50].

Micah: The moisture on their hand. They've returned it back.

Chris: Turned it back to wood.

Micah: That's where a point where I'm going, "I'm through eating at this point." That's not necessarily a fear as much as just as a...

Tim: Oh my gosh. One of my questions was going to be a pet peeve, so I guess...

Micah: Oh, actually I have a list of pet peeves.

Chris: Okay.

Micah: So a couple years ago, a radio station kept asking what my pet peeves were. And I couldn't never remember them on the spot. And so I started writing them down.

Chris: You're doing this so well right now.

Emmoe: He just pulled out his phone.

Micah: And then I forgot.

Tim: You're nailing this.

Micah: I forgot that I did it. Oh wait, here it is. I forgot.

Tim: It's at the top of your list?

Micah: Well, no.

Chris: He made a couple of notes after he walked in and saw you.

Emmoe: It's the most recently edited note in the app.

Micah: No, it's because I touched it.

Tim: Dirty napkins.

Micah: That was one. No. Pet peeves. Watered down dips.

Chris: Oh, okay. I'm into that.

Emmoe: Oh yeah.

Micah: If you try get queso and it just falls off the chip. No, thank you. People who beatbox without using a microphone. When I see a YouTube video...

Emmoe: Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait.

Micah: It's the shape of their mouth throws me off. I don't like it at all. I love to listen to beatboxers-

Emmoe: How many people?

Micah: ... really good ones, but their mouth shapes really gets me.

Chris: I would like to see that in slo-mo.

Micah: Going under an overpass with an 18 Wheeler. I hunch my shoulders like we're both going to hit the top of the thing.

Tim: Yep.

Micah: The turn off your engine as soon as you come to a stop feature that no one wants in their cars.

Chris: Oh, I hate that too.

Micah: The little A that you got to push, the A button. I hate that. People who call professional athletes by their first names at a sports bar. "Come one, Chad!" I don't like that. You don't know them.

Emmoe: Oh, yeah.

Micah: That's his Christian name. Don't do that to him. I don't like when people do that.

Emmoe: Oh, so sad.

Micah: Not remembering what I was going to say. "Oh, I can't remember what I was going to say."

Chris: That's why you wrote this list, though.

Tim: That's right.

Micah: That's literally why it's on the list. And then having to repeat a joke to someone that didn't hear it the first time in a group of people. So you said something, four people laugh.

Tim: Great bit.

Micah: The fifth person goes, "What did he say?" And you look right at me, and then I got to repeat it in front of the other people. It's not as funny to them. They've heard it already. So it is just, that's a peeve of mine.

Chris: You just need to look them dead in the eye and say, "No."

Micah: I've tried, but also I want to serve so bad.

Emmoe: No.

Chris: I'm practicing rest.

Micah: No. I actually made a pet peeve list because I forget my pet peeves. So I wrote them down.

Tim: What did you say?

Micah: I forget my pet peeves.

Emmoe: No.

Micah: That's no joke. That's real. It wasn't a joke. That's real.

Tim: How about your pet peeves list? Do you have any list of pet peeves that you have on your phone? That is insane.

Micah: I'm a very positive person. When you call on me to tell you something negative, I got to dig deep and I usually can't find it.

Tim: Okay. Favorite movie quote.

Micah: Oh golly. This is not going to be good for me rapid fire.

Tim: Do we need to bleep anything?

Micah: No.

Tim: We had to bleep Jason Gray. He wanted to get bleeped.

Chris: He wanted to.

Micah: Oh yeah. I heard that.

Chris: Of all the people.

Micah: You know what? I don't know. Oh gosh, guys. I'm so sorry.

Tim: Uh-oh. Failure.

Chris: Oh, I like you a little less now, Micah.

Micah: My worst.

Emmoe: I'm over here just dying.

Chris: I love you so much.

Emmoe: Leave him alone, guys. He's resting.

Tim: Okay. Back to your biggest fear.

Micah: Not being able to come up with a movie quote when asked to.

Emmoe: Oh man.

Tim: Current song on repeat, other than any of Chris and my songs.

Micah: Oh, Chris Cleveland. Yeah. He's [inaudible 00:48:56]. You know what? There's a couple. I realized the other day what my favorite genre of music is.

Chris: Oh my gosh.

Micah: And it's breakup songs. Any sad breakup songs.

Chris: All right.

Micah: I found this playlist on Apple Music, and it's nothing but everything from Lewis Capaldi to Bonnie Raitt. I just get in my emotions.

Chris: I can't make you love me.

Micah: That is the most emo. It got into a conversation with the band the other day about, "Hey, let's list all the things that make us emotional." Damien Rice, all these just really emotional songs.

Chris: We listened to Damien Rice this weekend.

Micah: Damien Rice's O record is the reason why I do music right now.

Chris: Oh my gosh.

Micah: That's my favorite album of all time.

Emmoe: Same.

Micah: That was what made me want to pick up an acoustic guitar.

Emmoe: Same.

Micah: That and the Psalms record by Shane & Shane.

Emmoe: Man.

Micah: Was that your next question?

Tim: Yes. What's your favorite Psalms record? Go-to snack or drink?

Micah: Okay.

Tim: Or either.

Micah: Sparkling water.

Tim: Do you have a list?

Micah: Waterloo. I don't. I have this on recall. Waterloo Sparkling Water is my favorite sparkling water. Just the regular. The blue can. No flavor.

Tim: Now everybody, he's got a little issue. So I tried the Kirkland water, because it was cheaper.

Micah: It was good. It was fine.

Tim: And his first question wasn't, "Does it taste like crap?"

Micah: I asked you, "What are the bubbles per capita?" I want it to burn just a little bit. And then snack, there's these pistachios that are this hot chili. They're just full flavored. It's almost too much, which is my favorite.

Tim: Yeah. Jesus eats those fo' sho'. Bucket list?

Micah: There's bucket list shows. I want to play Red Rocks. That would be a really cool thing. I want to skydive at some point. That'll be fun. Yeah. I don't know. I'm really excited about seeing my kids as grownups. It's not a bucket list, but I think about it a lot. I think about what my kids are going to be. I was explaining to you all, my kids have very different personalities. And so I'm just really excited to see what kind of grown up human beings they're going to be. That's something I'm really looking forward to.

Tim: Whew. Bad habit?

Micah: I bounce my leg. I'm bouncing it right now. It's because I'm just a nervous person. Yeah. That's a bad habit. And then overthinking things. I'm pretty good at thinking and then overthinking after that.

Tim: Best word of advice?

Micah: I told you this earlier. The only day that we can do anything about is today. I get real caught up about tomorrow, and the Bible says that tomorrow has enough worries of its own. But it also has its own joys. It has its own gifts. All those good things. Mercies. All those good things. We cannot do anything to uphold the past, just because the past was there already. We can repeat it now. We can do whatever we want to. Today's the only day that I can make any impact on. The only day I can be faithful to. I tell that to young musicians. "Hey, be faithful to what's in front of you." If you're leading worship for a youth group of eight kids, that's what the Lord gave you. Praise God. He gave you something to do, to be faithful to.

Micah: I drove a sausage delivery truck. We lived in a mobile home for nine years. I was a youth pastor for 10 years before that. Whatever the Lord calls you to do, be faithful to that thing to the absolute best of your ability. And then rejoice and be glad that he gave you something to be faithful to.

Tim: Love that.

Micah: That work?

Tim: What's another piece of advice that you have?

Chris: A little therapy.

Emmoe: [crosstalk 00:52:16].

Tim: My last question before, and you got to go get to the bus, what is the next item that you're going to get from wish.com? That you think? Are there any items out there right now that are... It's in China.

Micah: Well now...

Chris: Stuck on a ship outside of a harbor.

Micah: Yeah. About to say, I have no idea what's on its way already. I may have ordered something a year and a half ago that's... I'll hear it. And the boat pulls up and gives me a fresh new pair. Now I want to go and just see what kind of shoes I can find. I feel like that's the next thing that I need to go do. I did buy a bunch of fake money.

Tim: Yeah, you told me that.

Micah: Because I thought it would be really funny to just hand to the kids every once in a while for doing something. "Here's $500." And then just them going, "What are you talking about?" But then we also use it to.... It's funny to use it to gamble with, at our house. Because we play Candyland, but it's like, "I put $5 I'll get a pink on this one." We're not really gambling. It's fake money. So I won't buy any more of that, because already got enough of that. So probably shoes. Wish.com. Plug to wish.com. If you're looking for a sponsor, I'll put it on my jersey.

Tim: Totally.

Emmoe: Let's go.

Micah: Hey, can I say something?

Tim: Yeah.

Micah: Thank you guys for doing this podcast. I am a person who listens as a person who's on the road a lot. I listen to it, and it's fun for me because, Emmoe, I don't know you, but I feel like I do from listening to this thing, but I've known these two guys for a little while. You from five years ago. And I'm proud of what you guys do, and you are pointing people back towards, I think, health in just knowing who Jesus is and that being enough. And it's a really important thing.

Micah: I think that the whole 10,000 Minute idea is so... It's not just a great idea for a podcast. I think that is so important that you guys are offering tools and help to people who may be... Because it's not like, no one's just sitting at their kitchen table just listening to a podcast. They're mowing their grass right now, or they're in the gym right now, or they're on a road trip, or they will be on a bus at some point, listening to podcasts and stuff. And you guys have been able to find me and meet me with the gospel in places where I just needed to hear it. So I just wanted to say thanks for letting me come on today, but also thanks for continuing to do what you do and pointing people back towards using the 10,000 minutes wisely.

Tim: Thanks dude.

Emmoe: Thank you.

Tim: Anything else you like about me?

Micah: I like those glasses.

Emmoe: Yeah, we're going to stop here.